Re: physics of uploading minds.

From: Heartland (
Date: Sun Oct 30 2005 - 11:37:21 MST

> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 "Heartland" <>
>> Would you also agree that anything that exists in this
>> universe must be measurable by space-time coordinates
>> or otherwise it can't exist?
> Certainly not! "Fast" exists, "green" exists, "sadness" exists, "eleven"
> exists, and none of them have a unique time or place and calling them
> space-time 4D coordinates will not help one little bit.

All these concepts/perceptions exist exclusively as physical processes
inside the brain's volume so they all are 4D objects. Obviously, you
couldn't find a location of "green", but you could certainly find locations
of instances of "green".

>> my view is that mind and necessarily consciousness
>> both exist *and* are perfectly tangible/measurable 4D objects.
> Often we are not conscious of the time and often we are not conscious of
> where we are, to say that consciousness exists in a certain spot but we
> are just not conscious of it being there is gibberish.
> John K Clark

I didn't say it, though.

The point is this. Assume you're conscious and know the 4D coordinates of
your brain. Since consciousness cannot exist outside the volume of the brain
and you know where that brain is, then you must also know the location of
where consciousness happens which is exactly where the brain is.


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