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**Date:** Tue Jul 22 2008 - 00:31:15 MDT

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*> What is your current estimate of the probability that humanity will survive
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I have been pondering, and discussing it with some people, and I have become

more and more personally convinced

that even though select groups of humans may experience benefit, for "short

periods" from a singularity, over all, a

singularity will be pretty damn traumatic for the vast majority of humans.

However... even that won't mean much.

The vast majority of humans may willingly endure the stress, or decide they

don't have any alternative than endure

the technological phase shift.

Plus, it won't end. I regard pre-singularity existence as a placid reality.

When a singularity happens, all natural

balance is instantly gone and you'll have constant waves of change sweeping

the world. You'll see every definition

of what it means to be human dissolve into this cataclysm like ice cubes in

boiling water. There will be shock

fronts of change sweeping people who have no clue. It is like people in deep

Africa, their traditions already upset by

the "recent" introduction of Kalashnikovs and RPG's, suddenly confronted

with very rugged and miniaturized 3D

virtual reality wearables that allows all functions of a modern PC network,

with many times the software programs

we have today. There will be violent stress between non-adopters, partial

adopters, early adopters, late adopters.

The flood of information, commerce, seduction, perversity, entertainment,

spam, raw insult, spirituality, dialogue

will overwhelm anyone, whether in the kalahari, or in Tokyo, on a nonstop

unabated pace.

And after that the actual Singularity will come, and that will be even more

bewildering. This is all completely

insane by any standard, and yes, it will sometimes feel like being in a

storm of flying Piranha's, naked, fast forward.

And yes, once it starts it just will not stop. It will take off and go on

and on. I cannot envision it, but I also can not

envision it attaining some sort of balance, status quo or tranquility. We

will long back for the age of innocence and

peace.

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