From: Richard Loosemore (rpwl@lightlink.com)
Date: Mon Aug 28 2006 - 22:16:18 MDT
Rik,
It's Eliezer's list:  you can hardly throw him into a kernelnewbies 
corner of his own list.
Perhaps you missed something that I pointed out earlier:  I was awarded 
a postgraduate degree in cognitive science 19 years ago.  As part of 
that degree I had to pass exams and write essays on various subjects, 
including work that covered the field that has been under dispute.  I 
wrote substantial AI programs and was awarded the first ever Distinction 
given for that degree, and I read Tversky and Kahneman's "Judgment Under 
Uncertainty" at a time when Eliezer was probably still in hoping to get 
into kindergarten.  I subsequently pursued cognitive science as a 
career, and have publications in that field.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did Eliezer take a postgraduate degree in 
cognitive science at any time?  An undergraduate degree?  Any kind of 
qualification in that field?
Do you seriously suggest that I know less than Eliezer about cognitive 
science?
Are you, perhaps, a qualified cognitive scientist yourself, that you 
judged the recent discussion and came to your conclusion below?  If you 
are, I would welcome your thoughts about some of the issues involved.
You might want to take off that brown hat first, though.
Richard Loosemore
Rik van Riel wrote:
> Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
>> I did you the courtesy of informing you that you were ignorant, 
>> because human knowledge is vast, and even competent people cannot 
>> always be expected to know when they stumble into territory that has 
>> already been thoroughly explored.
> 
> While the above probably accurate, this attitude does not help
> stimulate AI research.
> 
> I wonder if it would make sense to set up something along the
> lines of http://kernelnewbies.org/ for people interested in
> AGI, but not skilled at it yet.
> 
> The idea is not to take away from Eliezer's precious time, but
> to learn and discover things together, hopefully creating some
> more Eliezers in the future :)
> 
> I am willing to host the wiki for this project.  The site
> should be a wiki because the initial participants will
> eventually "graduate" and spend their time developing AI,
> not maintaining an AI education site.  From the kernelnewbies
> project it appears that most people are only at the "smart
> enough to teach, but inexperienced enough not to be a full-time
> developer" level for 6-12 months.  This means it should be
> very easy for people to roll into and out of the job of site
> maintainer.  Also, newbies often run into great articles that
> ought to be linked :)
> 
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