From: Robin Lee Powell (email@example.com)
Date: Mon Jul 25 2005 - 12:16:03 MDT
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 01:59:21PM -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 10:58:16PM +0100, Russell Wallace wrote:
> > > What I can say is that _to the extent that the system forces
> > > everyone to submit to the will of the Collective_ (as was
> > > implied by the original paper, a position you seem to be
> > > partly retreating from now - if you are retreating from that
> > > position, good), you're proposing to create Hell.
> > Collective Volition *NEVER* proposed that. "The will of the
> > collective" and "the extrapolated volition of the collective"
> > have little or nothing in common with each other.
> But Robin, isn't
> "the extrapolated vision of the collective"
> basically a rephrasing of
> "the will of the 'Collective Volition Extrapolation Machine' (as
> possibly filtered by a Last Judge)"
Sure, but that's veeeery different from "the will of the
> I think that is what Russell meant by "the will of the Collective".
I don't think it is at all, because he keeps talking about dictators
and people having power over each other and so on.
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