Re: There is No Altruism

From: Robin Lee Powell (
Date: Wed Mar 23 2005 - 14:34:09 MST

On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:26:43PM -0500, David Massoglia wrote:
> It has been interesting to see the chats concerning the
> self-proclaimed altruism of Eleizer and the differing view
> proposed by Robert Ettinger (originator of the Cryonics
> Organization in Michigan).
> The purpose of this is to either debunk the self-proclaimed view
> of altruism or find a view that altruism really exists. I am
> clearly leaning to the view of Ettinger and that all claims of
> altruism relate to self-interest or self-values. If true, the
> claims of altruism would be stated as personal values.

I decided that altruism existed, reversing a long-standing
philisophical view of mine, when I realized that if someone offered
me a beneficial Sysop Scenario for all of humanity (or something
equally beneficial) in return for me personally suffering eternal
torment, I'd accept it.

There are certainly ways to argue that this is self-interest on my
part, but it seems like hair splitting to me. If it looks like a
duck, and it quacks like a duck, I say it's a duck.


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