RE: 'Singularity Realism' - A few thoughts

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Thu Mar 11 2004 - 11:00:02 MST


Samantha is right -- the FLARE language project stalled because Eliezer
decided to spend time on other things so he farmed the project out to
others; and the individuals who took the project over from him, seem not
to have found time/motivation to push it rapidly toward completion.

FLARE had some cool ideas in it, but so do a lot of other researchy
programming languages. In my view, it was not a usable programming
language, though potentially a great deal of further work could have
turned it into one.

BTW, a nontrivial percentage of the ideas in FLARE are also present in
contemporary aspect-oriented programming languages.

-- Ben G

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On Behalf
> Of Samantha Atkins
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:18 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: 'Singularity Realism' - A few thoughts
> On Mar 5, 2004, at 5:38 AM, Chris Healey wrote:
> > Marc,
> >
> > But I do notice an increasing tendency to NOT post content related
> > directly to useful implementation. From what I can tell,
> the public
> > FLARE language project has been retired because it is considered
> > indiscriminate leverage toward ALL possible AIs, and the SIAI has a
> > goal of expediting Friendly AI only, not precipitating crisis.
> I think you may have made that up largely out of whole cloth.
> Creating
> a new workable language and proving its viability is hard. I don't
> believe FLARE ever gained enough momentum to achieve this.
> I for one
> saw nothing terribly compelling or necessary about the language. It
> was not some huge boon to AI programming in general. IMHO, it was a
> needless distraction.
> - samantha

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