RE: SIAI's flawed friendliness analysis

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Tue Jun 03 2003 - 09:06:24 MDT

> ### I'd say that deep, real human happiness may be a special case of
> successful volition.

There is a strong relationship, but i'm not sure the one is a subclass of
the other... Deep happiness may have a volitional and an
involuntary/unconscious component??

> What would be the examples of self-determined minds (aside from minds
> limiting the self-determination of other minds) that are morally
> repugnant?
> Rafal

How about a mind that is self-determined to torment itself? Or
self-determined to find others who are confused enough to want to be
tormented, and torment them? That latter feels morally repugnant to me,
whereas the former just seems sad.... But obviously there are no absolute
moral standards, others might not be morally troubled by any of these things
at all.

-- Ben G

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