From: ben@goertzel.org
Date: Thu Dec 26 2002 - 21:03:01 MST
On 26 Dec 2002 at 12:55, Gordon Worley wrote [replying to me]:
> > What's interesting to me about Gordon's claim that "I feel like I am
> > very
> > real" is WHAT THE HECK IS THE _DEFINITION_ OF REAL YOU'RE USING???
>
> `Real' was probably the wrong term. I mean that I feel like I'm alive
> (as opposed to the situation with a rock, which does not feel alive).
> Also, unlike, say, a blob, I experience the world. I don't just feel
> pain, I *experience* pain. I know that I'm alive. I don't feel just
> pain, I feel bad that I feel pain. I suffer, unlike a blob that feels
> things but doesn't experience suffering.
>
> I didn't mean that I feel real as in I feel like I'm not in a
> simulation (that doesn't even make sense).
Ah, OK. I thought you meant you felt like you weren't in a simulation, and indeed, that didn't
make sense to me.
I understand about feeling one's awareness and aliveness (of course), but as you say, this is
irrelevant to the question of whether we're in a sim or not.
But do you agree that there is no way to define "real" except by defining a sim and then
defining real as non-sim?
ben g
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