RE: Are we Gods yet?

From: lurskalot (
Date: Wed Jul 31 2002 - 12:20:49 MDT

On Wed, 2002-07-31 at 10:51, Ben Goertzel wrote:
> Well, I'm 35, and in my view the transition from 20 year old Ben to 35 year
> old Ben has not been any kind of "subjective Singularity."

Perhaps I'm overly skeptical, but I seriously doubt that your 20 year
old self could have modeled the world at anything even remotely
resembling the complexity that your 35-year-old self does. And
multiplying that by several billion humans living longer than they would
in a primal state leads to the conclusion that the world is vastly,
subjectively different today than at any time in history.

> Certainly nowhere near comparable to, say, the transition from primate mind
> to human mind. And I think that the subjectivity shift to come, based
> on neuromodification, uploading, and so forth, is going to be at least
> as big as the shift from primate to human.

Indeed. But arguing that *another* transcension is imminent in no way
detracts from the position that we, as a species, have already
transcended our historical notion of humanity at least once. Moving
from nomadic groups of 30-50 individuals to a globally networked
civilization with members who regularly interact with thousands of
others is a change of such magnitude that it is hard to appreciate,
especially from our privileged perch within the process, the true scope
of the alterations.


Clarke's First Law:
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is
possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something
is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

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