RE: Are we Gods yet?

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Wed Jul 31 2002 - 11:51:21 MDT

Well, I'm 35, and in my view the transition from 20 year old Ben to 35 year
old Ben has not been any kind of "subjective Singularity." Certainly
nowhere near comparable to, say, the transition from primate mind to human
mind. And I think that the subjectivity shift to come, based on
neuromodification, uploading, and so forth, is going to be at least as big
as the shift from primate to human.

-- Ben Goertzel

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> On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 22:23, Ben Goertzel wrote:
> > WE have not achieved a subjective Singularity, in that our subjective
> > experiences are not all that qualitatively different from those of the
> > ancients. At least that's my guess. WE probably love, hate, battle and
> > suffer and exult about the same way...
> I don't know about this. It seems to me that a serious argument could
> be made that most human experience, for most of human history, has been
> adolescent experience. Loving, hating, exulting, all are vastly
> different at 30 years of age than at 20. For most of history, though,
> human lifespans have been closer to 20 than to 30. From the perspective
> of a human chosen from a random selected time we may, indeed, have
> transcended.
> daniel
> --
> Clarke's First Law:
> When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is
> possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something
> is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

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