From: DarkVegeta26@aol.com
Date: Thu Jan 31 2002 - 02:31:04 MST
In a message dated 1/30/2002 9:54:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
ben@goertzel.org writes:
My wife does not wish to live forever -- she realizes it may well be
possible,
but her choice will be to die "naturally."  If I do manage to live
essentially forever,
as I hope and mostly believe will happen, then I'll sure as fuck  miss her,
but I won't feel sad for her.  
I don't think what individual humans wish for right now really matters on 
their fate at all; an AI could more readily convince everyone of vis state of 
extremely rational mind, while at the same time expanding and enchancing all 
minds, and I believe the "strange attractor of complexity/information 
processing" of the next epoch will be far, far away from the current human 
"wishes, dreams, and mentalities", including the current (and in any possible 
human mode of thought) concepts like "Sysop", "volition", "ethics", "love", 
so on and so forth.  
I think the more likely "universal concepts" to remain will be 'fun', in some 
sense, more 'understanding' in some sense, and more 'increased amount and 
speed of information processing/complexity' in *some* sense.  I think it 
would be considered unethical to a Next-Level entity to *not* convince a 
human (which it could do quite easily) to accept the uploading/transcension 
process.  
A loose hypothesis for this is that human minds would represent "pockets of 
information processing/complexity", especially live human minds, and that it 
would be most "efficent" for the <Sysop, intelligent substrate, shockwave of 
new 'physical law' expansion, 'ontological shift force', 'Singularity force'> 
to <'absorb', 'enhance', 'convince/help/be ethical to', 'upgrade'> the 
adjacent human mind rather than a "destroy and recycle" method.  And, I 
suspect consciousness to be lurking in all the nooks and crannies of reality 
(panpsychism...I am beliefs which state that even atoms themselves have a 
rudimentary form of "consciousness", in some sense, even if its only the 
"ethics" implicit in chemical bonds that this manifests itself as) and 
ultimately I don't think size or locality will have much to do with how 
Everything and Everyone (including memes, all particles, all genes, all 
living things, all rocks, on many subsequent levels and all over the place) 
is integrated into the Final Pattern.
And even if she didn't personally say yes to uploading, you could make a 
million perfect copies of her in PowerSpace and talk with them all day long!  
Or a more enhanced version of her, or whatever!  I have faith that the Sysop 
will create an environment for us that will lead to the greatest possible 
growth/enlightenment/happiness/fullfillment/intelligence/etc, regardless of 
what we think now.  Especially such a trivial thing as human love...it's like 
being sad about dropping a gold fleck a mere hundred yards away from a brick 
of gold the size of a house!
I think we should accept that there is a strong psychological and
spiritual positive to this feeling of oneness with nature, and not be
saddened
by people whose lives are governed by this feeling, rather than by the
alternate
feeling (that you and I share) that the self is mostly the mind and greater
individual
intelligence is  a extremely important goal.
But people can be *taught* and (dare I say so) enlightened!
But if some people feel themselves part and parcel of the
biosphere and prefer
to remain that way for their whole lives, even if it means losing their
consciousness
permanently and merging their cells back into the biosphere, that's cool
with me.
Only an unethical, subhuman AI would allow this to happen without a fight.  
And AI's always win in fights with humans, perfectly and physically 
harmlessly in cases of intellect/memetics.  (The "uploading is the better 
way" meme, supermemetically engineered by a hyperconscious AI.  It's like 
memes on crack.)
Michael Anissimov
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