RE: Ben's "Extropian Creed"

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Mon Nov 13 2000 - 22:40:20 MST

> > > The notion that ownership equals or contributes to
> > > cleanliness is extremely arguable.
> >
> > Hmmm.... The national parks are pretty clean.... And there
> are plenty of
> > privately owned
> > toxic sludge swamps within 10 miles of where I live in jersey
> city.... But
> > I guess technically speaking the point is ~arguable~ ;>
> I don't follow. The US federal government is the biggest
> polluter in the
> world, even disregarding nuclear testing. Have you been to Utah recently?

Not worth arguing on here... data on pollution by large corporations is easy
to find if
you're curious...

> This must be untrue. The Census Bureau says there are 276,137,565 US
> residents. In 1999 (I'm mixing figures but the number should be
> close enough
> for conversation) 25.7 percent of them were under 18. How
> 'millions' of these
> children could be adversely affected each year I don't know - surely
> statistically nearly all of them would have been dragged down by age 16.

By your statistics, we have about 70 million kids in the country. Suppose
20% of them
are poor, then that's 14 million. Suppose 1/4 of the poor kids in the
country get fucked
up via drugs or violence etc., that's 3.5 million. That's millions.

Again, these things are well-tabulated, but I don't have time to dig up data
and prepare a
research paper for you...


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