Re: [sl4] Robin Lee Powell's results are not profound

From: Robin Lee Powell (
Date: Thu Oct 15 2009 - 11:43:07 MDT

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:31:25AM -0700, John K Clark wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell:
> > > and yet, 90+% of human parents raise their children without
> > > ever getting bored and leaving them to die. Proof by
> > > existence: many human minds succeed at this, and without
> > > getting into infinite loops.
> TYPO MY ASS! Did you even read it? The paragraph makes crystal
> clear it this was not a typo. Robin Lee Powell is saying humans
> don't have fixed goals and they don't get into infinite loops so
> that proves I'm wrong because I supposed to believe that only
> fixed goal minds work.

Nope; I didn't mean that at all. You've said that a mind that is
able to keep wanting to care for something long-term must have fixed
goals, and hence must be subject to infinite loops. I pointed out
that we have examples of minds that do, in fact, keep wanting to
care for things long-term and do not seem to be subject to infinite
loops. How you want to explain that in the framework you made up is
your problem.


They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other  than  the default  outcome?"  See ***

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