Re: [sl4] Complete drivel on this list: was: I am a Singularitian who does not believe in the Singularity.

From: Robin Lee Powell (
Date: Mon Oct 12 2009 - 10:47:29 MDT

See Stuart Armstrong's post just sent a few minutes ago on this
thread; John is claiming that the math of Turing and Goedel proves
things that it simply, clearly, does not in any way actually prove.
He his making new and novel statements about important mathetical
theorems that are quite well understood by many, many people on this
list. I can't speak for others, but I had to hand-derive both of
them from scratch as part of my Bachelor's.

So far:

- no-one agrees with him that those pieces of math prove the things
  he says they do

- he refuses to listen to anyone who tries to explain what they
  actually show

- he hasn't actually shown any *math* for what he claims is a
  straight mathematical result

That's really all there is to it; see how it stands up at lists like or , but substituting
Turing for the various famous scientists on those lists.

When I say that something obviously derives from an important
mathematical proof, I will *show you the math*. Until then, calling
me a nutcase for asking someone else to do so seems rather abrupt.

It's true I didn't ask him for the math in that particular post, but
that's because having done it many times, and having seen others do
the same many times, I'm just tired of the whole thing.


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:22:41PM -0400, Eric Burton wrote:
> I'll call him a damn nutcase.
> Robin Lee Powell, where do you get off
> Eric B
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM, John K Clark <> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 "Robin Lee Powell" <>
> > said:
> >
> >> Just for the record, John Clark is something of a local nutjob;
> >
> > I may or may not be a nutjob, but I am not local, I've been writing
> > about this on many other lists for one hell of a lot longer than you
> > have.
> >
> >> the only reason I responded to him at all is that we've had a lot of
> >> newbies in here lately and I didn't want his crap to go unanswered.
> >
> > Then why don't you answer some of my crap, it should be easy and fun to
> > make me look like a fool, after all its just crap. Instead you just
> > shrug your shoulders when I show that mathematicians have known for 75
> > years that a fixed goal mind won't work; but perhaps you think calling
> > me a nutjob is enough of a answer to protect those poor innocent
> > "newbies" from my corrupting influence.
> >
> > And by the way, if I called you a "nutcase" there would have been howls
> > of protest and demands that I be kicked off the list, but I don't mind,
> > I'm a big boy and have been called worse.
> >
> >  John K Clark
> >
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> >
> >
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They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other  than  the default  outcome?"  See ***

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