Re: Simulation argument in the NY Times

From: Henry Wolf VII (
Date: Wed Aug 15 2007 - 12:04:28 MDT

The problem with those assumptions is that you only have access to one game.
 There are still plenty of 2D games available. If you only have access to
that one 2D game, you would assume that there were only two dimensions and
time. This ignores that there may be many more that we can't yet perceive.
 Looking back fifteen years, you would assume that the universe only has
sixteen colors.
Our one instance in this "universe" is nowhere near enough to extrapolate
accurately to an outside universe. If this is a simulation, the beings that
created it would be post-singularity level beings. Due to the nature of the
singularity, their existence is currently impossible to describe.

On 8/15/07, Norman Noman <> wrote:
> On 8/15/07, Byrne Hobart <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It is quite frankly much more likely that outside the box they have
> > > created a simulation that is significantly different from their own
> > > "universe" than one that is similar.
> > >
> >
> >
> > And if there is a similarity, it's going to be the kind that the
> > Simulator (and probably the simulations) isn't aware of -- which is pretty
> > annoying when we're trying to figure it out.
> >
> > If I had to guess, just based on how humans design video games, I would
> > say that the most certain judgment you can make about them is that they
> > aren't nihilists: they like picking goals and pursuing them, so everything
> > in their fake-world wants to do stuff and tries to do it. The only video
> > game I can think of that doesn't fit the pattern does so intentionally:
> >
> >
> From examining one video game, one might easily guess that:
> The universe has three major spatial dimensions, and one time dimension
> Gravity exists
> There is a civilization of intelligent creatures which have two legs, two
> arms, two eyes, and one mouth
> They wear clothes
> They speak english
> They have reasonably complex technology, such as guns, airplanes,
> elevators, electric lights, plumbing, and the ability to create large
> buildings.
> They enjoy video games
> This seems not-insignificant to me. Of course, one could reasonably object
> that if reality is a simulation, it is unlikely to be a game, and even if it
> is, alien games may be much more or less like the worlds of their creators.

Henry George Wolf VII
B.S. International Business and Marketing

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