Re: JOIN

From: ps udoname (ps.udoname@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 29 2006 - 12:32:07 MST


It appears people have got bored with what I was saying - I should not have
mentioned that Penrose thinks the mind is nonalgorithmic.

On the other hand, I don't think anyone is saying anything on this list.
Maybe we did miss the rapture... so the singularity isn't a expanding sphere
of computronium eh?

On 23/10/06, R. W. <rtwebb43@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Is anyone here anymore or did I miss the Rapture?
>
> *Russell Wallace <russell.wallace@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> On 9/29/06, ps udoname <ps.udoname@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > An upload requires somewhere from a roomful to a buildingful of
> > > computers; it can't run over a wide area cluster, the bandwidth is far too
> > > slow. Therefore it's sessile and highly dependent on the biological humans
> > > maintaining the equipment; it can't so much as sneeze without permission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't this apply equally to AIs?
> >
>
> Yep. With the caveat that an AI could be designed so that certain subtasks
> - search in particular - can be factored out over high-latency links (so the
> individual nodes could be separated by large distances). But there is no
> reason to believe all or even most of an AI could run at useful speed over
> such links.
>
> The brain shows an ability to repair itself and grow, an upload should
> > also be able to.
> >
>
> Sure. But brains don't ascend to godhood overnight (not in the material
> universe anyway!) and there's no evidence an upload would be able to either.
>
> I would think it more likely that uploads are either illegal or not
> > recognised by the law as alive.
> >
>
> I certainly wouldn't rule out either of those possibilities.
>
> Fair enough, but there are many technologies that are more dominant then
> > people thought as well.
> >
>
> Such as?
>
> It would appear that we have reached the limits of what it is possible to
> > achieve with computer technology, although one should be careful with such
> > statements, as they tend to sound pretty silly in 5 years.
> >
> > - Von Neumann
> >
>
> Do I need to dig up the quotes from that era about how human-level AI was
> going to be achieved by the year 2000? :)
>
>
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