Re: Apollo Project to get to the Singularity

From: Richard Loosemore (
Date: Fri Aug 25 2006 - 10:28:27 MDT

Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
> J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
>> Community-based AI research is the idea that having a clue is an
>> emergent property of having enough people without a clue in one room.
>> And I use "emerge" in the "magic happens" sense here. I would make
>> the observation that most productive AI research seems to be done by
>> people who have shown little interest in community-based AI research,
>> which would suggest that the "community" aspect is quite irrelevant to
>> their progress. It is not as though there are not plenty of
>> community-based AI research projects in existence.
> The Japanese Fifth Generation project was exactly this sort of project,
> only better funded. I wonder what went wrong. Maybe their mandate that
> all AI programming must be done in Prolog had something to do with it.
> When you don't know how to solve a problem, you imagine throwing big
> powerful things at it, or things that raise a lot of positive affect.
> Like throwing $10M, which seems like a big amount of money. Or saying
> the word "community", which is a heartwarming lovely word, so anyone who
> speaks against "community" must be evil.
> I agree with Rogers. Either you know what you're doing or you don't.

I don't know what you or Rogers are talking about here, but it certainly
isn't what I started talking about..... so when the two of you come back
from your private sidetrack :-), could you maybe explain what this has
got to do with community-based projects like Linux or Mozilla or Open
Office, to which I was making an (obvious) reference?

What have those kinds of projects got that attracted your stinging
diatribes about large groups of people with no clue, your introduction
of the Fifth Generation project (the antithesis of a community
project!!), idiots who think $10M is a lot of money and the
heartwarmingness of the word "community"?

Richard Loosemore

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