Re: A study comparing 150 IQ+ persons to 180 IQ+ persons

From: Michael Vassar (
Date: Tue Aug 22 2006 - 18:04:33 MDT

Unfortunately, as far as I know, zero people who have attained high scores
on open-ended IQ tests have also achieved dramatic real world achievements.
By contrast, a significant number of people who score very well at a young
age on traditional IQ tests have done so. (though none of the extreme
outliers have, unless you count the SATI pre-recentering and Eliezer) This
despite the fact that open-ended IQ test score results seem to agree fairly
well with the age adjusted very high IQs achieved by young high scorers.

>From: "Ben Goertzel" <>
>Subject: Re: A study comparing 150 IQ+ persons to 180 IQ+ persons
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:24:09 -0400
>And, my conjecture would be that performance on an open-ended IQ test
>would correlate slightly better with *dramatic* real-world
>intellectual achievement than performance on a timed IQ test.
>(There are of course many jobs where highly rapid intellectual
>performance is important, and performance on the timed IQ test would
>presumably predict performance at those better.)
>On 8/22/06, Ben Goertzel <> wrote:
>> > Ben: You keep mentioning rapidity. There are a good number of high IQ
>> > tests that permit very long time intervals to testers, and even some
>> > open-ended ones, y'know.
>>OK, but these open-ended IQ tests are not the ones for which scores
>>are typically reported. I suppose we do not have relevant statistics
>>on these.
>>-- Ben

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