RE: Syllabus for Seed Developer Qualifications [WAS Re: Some considerations about AGI]

From: H C (
Date: Wed Jan 25 2006 - 13:37:20 MST

Well, right now, I am an undergrad computer science and cognitive science
double major.

Some school books currently on my shelf:

The Logic Book (Bergmann, et al)
Language Files 9
Discreet Mathematics and Its Applications (5th edition)
Data Structures and Problem Solving Using Java (Third Edition)

Some non-school books currently on my shelf:

Artificial General Intelligence (Goertzel, Yudkowsky, et al) [still waiting
for this one]
Heuristics and Biases (Kahneman, Tversky)
Thinking and Deciding (Baron)
The Symbolic Species (Deacon)
Godel Escher and Bach an Eternal Golden Braid (Hofstadter)
Probability Theory: The Logic of Science (Jaynes)

What do you think?


>From: Richard Loosemore <>
>Subject: Syllabus for Seed Developer Qualifications [WAS Re: Some
>considerations about AGI]
>Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:49:48 -0500
>Huh? You don't need a PhD. in all of those subjects!
>It would certainly help to be well-rounded, but it is crazy to require a
>Ph.D. in (e.g.) M-Theory. Heck, a couple of undergrad physics courses and
>a dose of Brian Greene ought to be enough.
>I am certainly interested in the idea of what to put into undergraduate and
>postgraduate courses that would prepare someone for a career in AGI
>development, because I am seriously interested in developing and starting
>such a programme. But it would have little resemblance to the list you
>suggest below.
>Does anyone else have ideas for an AGI syllabus, or would I be talking to
>myself if I tried to start such a thread?
>Richard Loosemore
>Marc Geddes wrote:
>>When constructing my 'Singularitarian Directory' of
>>the top-100 links I judged to be needed for a seed-AI
>>I found that the needed info neatly divided into 4
>>main subject areas, each of which was further
>>sub-divided into 5 areas, for a total of 20 subjects
>>needed for a seed-AI developer. Here are the subject
>>*Reality Theory
>>(1) Anthropic Reasoning
>>(2) Cosmology/Relativity
>>(3) Quantum Mechanics
>>(4) Metaphysics (philosophy)
>>(5) String/M-Theory
>>Cognitive Science
>>(6) Decision/Game theory
>>(7) Consciousness studies
>>(8) Neurobiology
>>(9) Cognitive architectures (AI etc)
>>(10) Psychology (inc evolutionary psychology)
>>(11) Information Theory (inc algorithmic design and
>>(12) Bayesian Probability Theory
>>(13) Foundations (inc Set theory, logic)
>>(14) Complex Systems Theory
>>(15) Number Theory
>>Info Tech
>>(16) Networks (inc Security, Internet)
>>(17) Hardware (inc parallel, super-computing)
>>(18) Databases
>>(19) Programming
>>(20) Operating Systems
>>Now, the IQ threshold for getting a phd is deemed to
>>be around 125, and it usually takes a total of 5 years
>>full-time study to bring someone up to phd level
>>knowledge in a given specialty areas. Since there are
>>20 specialist subjects needed and each takes 5 years
>>of full-time study to bring someone up to phd level
>>knowledge, the conclusion is that it would take ONE
>>HUNDRED YEARS (100 years) of full-time study for a
>>single human to be competent to be a seed-AI developer.
>>"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the shadow with teeth bared,
>>screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on
>>the last day”
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