Re: My definitions of Intelligence, Consciousness, Mathematics and Universal Values

From: Marc Geddes (
Date: Sun Jan 22 2006 - 20:38:00 MST

--- Philip Goetz <> wrote:

> On 1/21/06, Marc Geddes <>
> wrote:
> >
> > Let's just say that that I see no reason why
> reality
> > should be 100% consistent (in mathematical terms).
> > Suppose mathematics was not in fact the single
> unitary
> > thing that mathematicians think it is? Suppose
> that
> > there are in fact several different kinds of
> > mathematics needed to fully capture reality
> > ('dualities' is the technical term) and the
> different
> > kinds of math are not totally consistent with each
> > other?
> Um... the fact that math works, and it has for
> thousands of years, and
> if it were as you suggest, math in the world would
> be inconsistent and
> not work. 2+2=4, not 5.
> Suppose you take the world of people who understand
> math better than you do?
> Suppose you refrain from pestering SL4 with ideas
> that you know are
> not welcome here?
> - Phil

Ben Goertzel's the math whiz here. He just
acknowledged my idea was a theoretical possibility.

And by the way, my own understanding of math is
actually quite reasonable (studied math at Auckland

A math system doesn't have to be 100% consistent to
work, just highly consistent. For instance there's no
reason to believe that the human brain runs on a
formal system which is 100% consistent, yet obviously
we all still get along in the world quite well. The
same could be true of reality itself. Just suggesting
an intriguing possibility.

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