From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Wed Aug 03 2005 - 12:26:42 MDT
Daniel, I think at this point I have to say:  Study some probability theory. 
You're arguing, as though it were a basic principle of rationality, a 
principle of probability assignment which simply would not be well-calibrated 
in practice.
You seem to believe that in the absence of "specific support" - which is 
apparently something you get to define, if none of the historically similar 
situations from dogs to Lord Kelvin count as generalizable cases - you must 
assign probability zero.  This is flatly wrong.  If you read 
http://yudkowsky.net/bayes/technical.html you will see why you should never 
assign probability zero to anything.
Since you cannot assign probability zero, what probability must you assign? 
Note that I do not say "may" assign.  Rationality is a precise art.  All that 
is not prohibited is mandatory, all that is not mandatory is prohibited. 
Water does not choose where to flow but only flows downhill, and probability 
flows similarly in a Bayesian reasoner.
Technical rules for assigning probability in the absence of specific support 
include maximum entropy and Kolmogorov complexity.  Neither is readily 
applicable to calculate a quantitative probability for the AI case.  The best 
probability estimate we can get is by analogy to historical cases from dogs to 
Lord Kelvin.  End of story!  You cannot demand a specific account of how an AI 
could break free from a box, else assign probability zero.  It is like asking 
for a specific account of how an opponent could win a game of Go against you, 
else assigning probability zero to your loss.  It is like saying that a 
lottery ticket has probability zero of winning, unless someone gives you a 
specific reason why those numbers will win.  You can (therefore must) assign 
negligible non-zero probabilities to each element of the search space, and 
assign a larger non-zero probability for the entire search space.
There is simply no principle of probability theory that says that, if you 
cannot exhibit a specific element of the Go search space that wins against 
you, you must assign probability zero to the whole search space without 
searching it.
If you permit (and you must permit) historical generalizations about similar 
but not identical situations, such as past games of Go, in the absence of 
specific exhibited possible winning moves against you, then you must permit 
historical generalizations about similar failures of physical theory and 
failures of imagination, in the absence of specific exhibited possible winning 
moves against you.
I think that's essentially the end of the discussion so far as I'm concerned. 
  You are simply using probability theory incorrectly.  If you read up on 
technical rules for assigning probability in the absence of specific support, 
you will probably get a better idea of where your verbal argument goes wrong, 
even though you cannot use these methods to calculate a quantitative 
probability in this case.
Rationality is supposed to work.  It is supposed to produce correct answers 
and well-calibrated probability assignments.  If you believe that some 
principle of rationality requires you to assign a zero probability to 
something that could actually go ahead and happen, or a negligible probability 
to something that stands a good chance of really happening, then whatever you 
are doing is not rationality.  Do not say that your art failed you; you failed 
your art.
I'm not sure there's anything anyone can say to you beyond that.  You appear 
to have leaped to a conclusion and to be using an alleged principle of 
rationality to justify it, which principle accords not with probability 
theory, nor exhibits qualitative correspondence to common sense.  No one else 
here agrees with your principle and you have made no case for it.  If you 
continue to appeal to the principle, you will convince yourself but no one else.
-- Eliezer S. Yudkowsky http://intelligence.org/ Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
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