Re: ESSAY: 'Debunking Hippy-Dippy moral philosophy'

From: fudley (fuddley@fastmail.fm)
Date: Tue Jun 15 2004 - 10:22:56 MDT


On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 "Marc Geddes" <marc_geddes@yahoo.co.nz> said:

> Circular reasoning here. You simply pre-supossed
> that: 'there is there is no relationship between the
> reading on the meter and the wishes and opinions of
> the user or any other human'.

If morality is truly objective then any correlation between the wishes
of a person and the readings on the meter are purely coincidental, you
might as well flip a coin as look at the meter.

>humans are moral beings

You canít have it both ways, if humans are moral then morality is what
they want and morality is subjective. Talk about circular reasoning!

John K Clark

> --- fudley <fuddley@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On Mon, 14
> Jun 2004 "Keith Henson"
> > <hkhenson@rogers.com> said:
> >
> > >I think there is a way good and evil can be
> > measured,
> > >though perhaps not from a human viewpoint.
> >
> > Then morality would have no point. Suppose
> > Hewlett-Packard announced
> > that in addition to their line of volt and amp
> > meters they were coming
> > out with a good-evil meter, however there is no
> > relationship between the
> > reading on the meter and the wishes and opinions of
> > the user or any
> > other human; what do you think would happen to HP
> > stock? I think it
> > would sink like a rock because the market would know
> > such a device would
> > have absolutely no use.
> >
> > John K Clark
> >
> >
>
> Circular reasoning here. You simply pre-supossed
> that: 'there is there is no relationship between the
> reading on the meter and the wishes and opinions of
> the user or any other human'. If morality is
> objective, then there WOULD be a realationship between
> the readings on the meter and the wishes and opinions
> of the user and other humans, since humans are moral
> beings. At least SOME aspects of human morality would
> correspond to the readings on the meter.
>
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