From: Ben Goertzel (ben@goertzel.org)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 19:31:55 MDT
> > > How about a mind that is self-determined to torment itself? Or
> > > self-determined to find others who are confused enough to want to be
> > > tormented, and torment them?
> >
> > ### I assume that "confused" here means insufficiently or
> falsely informed
> > about the world, so much so as to desire experiences that a
> > better-informed
> > person of the same general outlook would reject. E.g. some
> > flagellants do it
> > because they simply don't know about Bayesian reasoning and the bigger
> > intellectual world around them. In that case the latter possibility you
> > mention could be interpreted as a form of fraud, using somebody's
> > insufficient knowledge to take advantage of him, instead of discharging
> > one's duty of sharing information (which exists IMO in some situations,
> > dictated by Rawlsian reciprocity). So again, this would be an indirect,
> > sneaky form of limiting self-determination, and only as such truly
> > repugnant.
> >
> > Rafal
>
>
> That is a very interesting line of argument, Rafal, and one that I'll have
> to think about a bit.
>
> The fuzzy bit of course is in your "same general outlook" condition...
>
> It would be nice to have some kind of rigorous mathematical approach to
> issues like this. Your argument almost has the flavor of a mathematical
> proof, yet we don't quite have the framework in which such a proof could
> exist...
>
> -- Ben
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