Re: Hello

From: Anand AI (
Date: Sun Jan 19 2003 - 12:17:06 MST

Hey Thomas, welcome to the list. Regarding predictions on when the
Singularity may occur, I recommend the following: (SL4's Wiki)
(Work-in-progress interview with Eliezer)
(Note: In particular, see the question, "I believe your target date for
achieving the Singularity is 2010, with a lower bound of 2005 and an upper
bound of 2020. Most predictions place the date considerably higher than
this. Why do you believe it can be achieved so quickly? What do you know or
claim to know that others do not? What are others not factoring into their
estimates?") (John Smart's wonderful site)

The 12/21/12 date has to do with Terrence McKenna's Timewave Zero
hypothesis, which I haven't looked into much and don't have an opinion of,
though others may (speak up, speak up).

"The theory of Timewave Zero was revealed to Terence by an alien
intelligence following a bizarre, quasi-psychedelic experiment conducted in
the Amazon jungle in Colombia in 1971. Inspired by this influence Terence
was instructed in certain transformation of numbers derived from the King
Wen sequence of I Ching hexagrams. This led eventually to a rigorous
mathematical description of what Terence calls the timewave, which
correlates time and history with the ebb and flow of novelty, which is
intrinsic to the structure of time and hence of the temporal universe. A
peculiarity of this correlation is that at a certain point a singularity is
reached which is the end of history-or at least is a transition to a
suprahistorical order in which our ordinary conceptions of our world will be
radically transformed. The best current estimate for the date of this point
is December 21, 2012 CE [common era], the winter solstice of that year and
also the end of the current era in the Mayan calendar."

See also

Again, welcome to the list.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas R Mazanec" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Hello

> What is your gut feeling about when the Singularity will occur?
> Just roughly, of course
> (I actually saw a prediction of December 21, 2012).

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