Re[2]: META: Sept. 11 and Singularity

From: Cliff Stabbert (
Date: Thu Sep 12 2002 - 17:16:01 MDT

Thursday, September 12, 2002, 6:24:17 PM, Samantha Atkins wrote:

SA> Eliezer S. Yudkowsky wrote:
>> Ben Goertzel wrote:
>> > But, I know that if I want to impose my own standards on a list, I can
>> > start my own list, and I don't want to take the time...
>> And yet for some reason you are subscribed to SL4 and not wta-talk,
>> Extropians, or any of the other lists out there. Perhaps you believe my
>> sniper style of moderation has nothing to do with this and interferes
>> with the better list SL4 would otherwise be; just as conscientous
>> objectors may genuinely believe that the world would be a better place
>> if their country's militaries disbanded, and the soldiers of those
>> countries may respect the concept of satyagraha even if they cannot
>> believe in it personally. I guess the moral is that it doesn't hurt if
>> some people are conscientous objectors in the war on idiocy, and it may
>> even be a good thing, as long as someone is still actually defending the
>> borders.

SA> [the sniping tactic] It doesn't leave enough room for growth on
SA> either side or even admit the possibility.

Although I remain somewhat mystified by Eliezer's criteria for asking
people not to post, rereading GK's latest message one _could_
interpret it as potentially trolling for an evangelical thread
("If there is a Being" [...] "it stands to reason that He *may*
have something to say about this dream of Immortality we have..." --
note the capitalization).

I don't know if that was (in part) what Eliezer had in mind.

However, to take up the point you raise about growth: given SL4's
charter, I'm not sure there's much room *here* for advocating for
(or evangelizing, if you will) the Singularity.

I don't know if that's what you (in part) had in mind.

And really, I don't know what GK had in mind. I've only seen two
messages -- "Short Intro" and "Sept. 11 and Singularity" -- and if
those are the only two he posted I feel a bit more room should have
been given for SL4 readers to find out, or at least a warning issued.


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