Re: Metarationality (was: JOIN: Alden Streeter)

From: Gordon Worley (
Date: Sun Aug 25 2002 - 02:20:30 MDT

On Saturday, August 24, 2002, at 09:17 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote:

> Of course, you realize that Buddhism teaches the *cessation of
> thought*, not
> logical/rational thought....


> "Right thinking" may be taught, but only as a
> pathway toward non-thinking.... I don't know that Buddhism is fairly
> described as a doctrine teaching "there is something more than human
> thought." something *less* perhaps ;-)

Well, to be honest I'm not completely sure what's beyond rationality. I
suspect that enlightenment is, since you must become rational before you
can hope to make much advancement (maybe it is possible without being
made rational first, but that would be a very rare case I expect).
Right now I'm exploring enlightenment to see what it's like. If I reach
it and it turns out it's not really the right way to go, I can always go
back (there are plenty of stories about cultivators reaching
enlightenment and then screwing up and returning to be regular people).

>> Even when you tell most people, they
>> don't believe you. You have to show them rationality, give them a
>> taste
>> of it. Once they see it, they'll accept it and work towards it (unless
>> they are silly and just reject it anyway).
> Hey, it's not the first time I've been called silly.
> You should hear me sing Frank Sinatra ;-D

This is OT, but fun.

I find that Sinatra stuff not to be super technically difficult to sing
(there is much harder stuff out there). The difference between Frank
Sinatra, you, and me is that his voice is more appealing to people.
Just because I can sing well does not mean that most people would like
to hear my voice doing the singing except mixed in with a chorus.

Gordon Worley                     `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty            said, `it means just what I choose                it to mean--neither more nor less.'
PGP:  0xBBD3B003                                  --Lewis Carroll

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