RE: Re[2]: Educating an AI.

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Tue Aug 06 2002 - 22:31:09 MDT


In the vein of "On Growth and Form", you must read "Evolution without
Selection" by A. Lima de Faria

I don't believe him, but I think he makes a lot of interesting points...

Also, "Laws of Form" by G. Spencer-Brown (a friend of Varela's) and a host
of associated articles by Louis Kauffmann (many of which are on his website,
at the U. of Illinois Chicago). Very deep theories of self-reference and
its implications... nifty though simple math, fascinating tho puzzling

You mention Hofstadter but not his buddy Daniel Dennett. A very mainstream
AI writer but if you don't know his stuff, most of his books are very good.

-- ben goertzel

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> > As an aside, most of my thinking on AI and how to get there has been
> > heavily influenced by (in approximate order of significance) Douglas
> > Hofstadter, Gregory Bateson, chaos theory, and (more as background
> > 'flavor') things like On Growth and Form. I was wondering if others
> > have further sources in that vein/those veins, or know of others
> > working towards AI on such principles.
> >
> > --
> > Cliff
> Interestingly, all of the sources you mention were major
> inspirations to me
> as well.
> I will thus suggest some things that seem to me to have the same flavor...
> Do you know the work of the modern European systems theorists?
> Francisco Varela, "Principles of Biological Autonomy"
> Vilmos Csanyi, "Evolutionary ??" [forgot the title]
> George Kampis, "Self-Modifying Systems in Biology and Cognitive Science"
> Robert Rosen, "Life Itself"
> My own ancient books "The Evolving Mind", "Chaotic Logic" and "From
> Complexity to Creativity" are very much in the same sort of vein,
> as well...
> Do you know Edelman's Neural Darwinism, which is moderately Bateson-ish in
> its focus on evolution as a model for learning. Israel Rosenfield had a
> nice Edelman-inspired book, whose name I have unfortunately forgotten
> Ever read the book "Fire on the Brain"? [or could it be "in" the
> brain?] I
> forget the author. A lot of deep musings and funny anecdotes
> about brain &
> mind, by a neuroscientist...
> I note that I don't personally agree with all these theorists, I
> just found
> them interesting, and in a similar conceptual vein to the things you
> mentioned...
> -- Ben Goertzel

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