RE: Catholics and the Singularity

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Sun Jun 30 2002 - 18:36:32 MDT


> I agree with Samantha. The truth does not have this or that sectarian
> or philosophical brand on it, it is simply true. Ben seems to think
> that truth has the sectarian brand of 'scientific empicirism' on it,

I do think that science is more true than Catholicism for instance -- though
nothing is absolutely true.

I think that an AGI will find its own truths, based on its external
observations & internal experiences

> I think the statement that there is no way to find out that their
> religion is true - even given ultrapowerful intelligence, very thorough
> scans of the outside world, and the ability to read human minds - would
> be rank blasphemy to most deeply religious people.

I guess it would be to some, and wouldn't be to others....

After all, in some forms Christianity the Devil is assumed to have extreme
intelligence, thorough scans of the world, and some ability to read human
minds... yet the Devil does not perceive the truth of the Christian

> I'm currently hunting through IRC in an effort to find out what actual
> religious people think about this. Asking my earlier question about a
> powerful but nonhuman mind, and whether it could find the correct
> religion, I got this response:
> <Person1> Are you asking why I believe my religion is correct?
> <Person2> Person1: He's asking you whether it is POSSIBLE to know that
> your religion is correct.
> <Person1> Buddhism is reason.
> <Person1> I don't think faith is needed to be Buddhist since everything
> has reason behind it and can be experienced.

Buddhism is an unusually non-faith-based religion! There is a lot of
diversity in the world's religions, of course...


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