RE: Ben's "Extropian Creed"

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Mon Nov 13 2000 - 22:32:35 MST

yes. The "bum on the street" argument/attitude is what I see as "classic
libertarian philosophy."

Eliezer's point, though simple, is not one that Sasha would have made, and
not one that is made in most libertarian writings
that I have seen...

Not that the "classic libertarians" I'm thinking of don't KNOW this, they
just don't see why it's important...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []On Behalf
> Of Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:22 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Ben's "Extropian Creed"
> "E. Shaun Russell" wrote:
> >
> > If I walk down a street in a slum neighborhood, perhaps I'll
> toss a bum a
> > buck or two.
> I think that this mental imagery carries certain implicit
> assumptions. The
> people below the poverty line, even in the First World, are not
> necessarily
> there by choice, or even as the result of their own actions.
> Maybe a majority
> are there through their own "fault", maybe a majority is there by
> happenstance; in either case, the humans of contention, and of particular
> relevance to the current debate, are the ones who are poor due to causes
> outside their ability to control. I sincerely doubt that that
> percentage is
> under 10%. I beguess that it represents a majority. That goes
> quadruple for
> the Third World.
> -- -- -- -- --
> Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
> Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence

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