On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 22:23, Ben Goertzel wrote: > WE have not achieved a subjective Singularity, in that our subjective > experiences are not all that qualitatively different from those of the > ancients. At least that's my guess. WE probably love, hate, battle and > suffer and exult about the same way... I don't know about this. It seems to me that a serious argument could be made that most human experience, for most of human history, has been adolescent experience. Loving, hating, exulting, all are vastly different at 30 years of age than at 20. For most of history, though, human lifespans have been closer to 20 than to 30. From the perspective of a human chosen from a random selected time we may, indeed, have transcended. daniel -- Clarke's First Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.