**From:** Charles Hixson (*charleshixsn@earthlink.net*)

**Date:** Wed Jul 23 2008 - 18:00:06 MDT

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On Wednesday 23 July 2008 02:04:32 pm Matt Mahoney wrote:

*> --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@earthlink.net> wrote:
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*> > Now what's the probability of humanity surviving if a
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*> > positive singularity does *not* occur?
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*> takes.
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*> A singularity means the end of humanity's reign as the most intelligent
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*> species. Whether humans survive depends on the ethical system of the
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*> dominant lifeform, which we can neither control nor predict.
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*> -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@yahoo.com
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True. But I feel that we already have sufficient knowledge and power to

exterminate ourselves, and that the control of such power is in an increasing

number of independently acting hands. As such, without a singularity, it's

fairly clear that we won't long survive. (I consider that only a few people

would survive to be unlikely over periods of a few decades from the initial

catastrophe.) A lesser war, which only killed, say, half to 3/4 of humanity

wouldn't slow down progress towards the singularity by more than a few

decades. A global dictatorship might, but it would only slow it down.

("Dark ages" commonly include lots of progress in applied science. The

middle-ages yielded, among other things, improved metal working, evidenced by

plate armor, the horse-collar, which allowed horses to replace oxen in

plowing [horses are far superior], and mortar-board plows. Also, of course,

moveable type, which ended the middle-ages. Note that this is far from a

complete list. I'm merely listing major transformative technology

improvements.)

OTOH, saying that something recognizably human will survive a positive

singularity is almost a tautology. Which singularities that nothing

recognizably human would survive would you call positive?

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