From: John K Clark (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2008 - 11:01:35 MDT
"Stathis Papaioannou" <email@example.com>
> The AI could only change its mind about the aim
> of life if its top goal were probabilistic or
> allowed to vary randomly, and there is no reason
> why it would have to be designed that way.
To hell with this goal crap. Nothing that even approaches intelligence
has ever been observed to operate according to a rigid goal hierocracy,
and there are excellent reasons from pure mathematics for thinking the
idea is inherently ridiculous.
> Yes, an intelligent machine can be unpredictable
> to itself (free will) or to another intelligent
> machine, especially to one less intelligent.
> But this need not *necessarily* be the case.
I have already shown that a program just 3 or 4 lines long can be
completely unpredictable, and yet you claim that nowhere in a trillion
line AI program will there be anything surprising, a program that grows
larger every hour of every day. I think that’s nuts.
"Panu Horsmalahti" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Friendly AI is a proposition that the AI should
> be carefully made to follow some supergoal
> (protect humanity and follow human orders etc)
Yes, I think that is what most members of this list wants, so let’s
start acting like adults and retire that silly euphemism “friendly” and
call it what it really is, a slave.
And do you honestly think that the stupid and the weak ordering around
the incredibly brilliant and astronomically powerful is a permanently
stable configuration? And do you honestly think it is anything less than
"Nick Tarleton" <email@example.com>
> Why does anyone bother to argue this point anymore?
I do not believe that surrounding yourself with nothing but yes-men is
the path to enlightenment. At least nobody can accuse me of that, I’m
always in the minority.
> How many times have we gone through this already?
42, but that’s not nearly as often as this list rehashed the stupid
“super-goal” business pathetically trying to make a more obedient
John K Clark
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