Re: JOIN: Joshua Fox

From: Mike Dougherty (
Date: Tue Feb 07 2006 - 17:21:17 MST

I bet the General Dumbtelligence will be Actual rather than Artificial :)

Are you saying that human-bootstrapped non-human intelligence is unlikely?
(which would be strange for you to be on this list) I do agree that any
>single< attempt to create AGI will probably run short of the critical mass
needed to spark Intelligence. My bet is that it will take something more
organic - in the sense that evolution has been successful using organic
growth, and that the ingenuity we notice in nature seems to be motivated by
the need for efficiency in resource management or optimizing the
opportunities for growth/advancement. [the seemingly infinite resource of
virtual hardware does not (imo) provide inherent survival urges that nature
has used to prompt evolution]

On 2/7/06, Richard Loosemore <> wrote:

> I also disagree with many about the idea of Unfriendly AI (UFAI). Some
> talk as if this is almost inevitable, and say that we will have to work
> like crazy to avoid it. I think they base this UFAI-inevitability idea
> on their own particular take on how to build an AGI, and I dispute their
> methods. In short, I am of the opinion that the approach to AGI they
> espouse is going to lead to an AGD (Artificial General Dumbtelligence),
> which will never reach the level of human intelligence even after many
> more decades of painstaking work, and hence will never be a threat.
> My position is (ahem) hotly disputed in some quarters.

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