Re: 3 "Real" Conscious Machines [WAS Re: Singularity: A rock 'em, shock'em ending soon?]

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Tue Jan 17 2006 - 16:30:56 MST


Can you point me to any (formal or informal) publications underlying
this extraordinary claim you're making?

To help me ground your claim, are you contending that your AI could
handle the questions posed in the Pascal Challenge for textual


To my knowledge no current AI system can handle such questions in a
systematically correct way.

This challenge is a subset of the Turing test -- passing this
challenge does NOT prove any sort of powerful AGI, in my view. I just
want to be sure that you are claiming your system has at least this
level of intelligence, before progressing to posing you further more
difficult and probing questions about your work.

-- Ben

On 1/17/06, Woody Long <> wrote:
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Robin Lee Powell <>
> > To: <>
> >
> > I'm not Loosemoore (sp?), but yes, I accept the Turing Test and its
> > variants, including this one, as an acceptable test of conciousness.
> >
> > > If so you will conclude that my droids are in fact conscious
> > > machines,
> >
> > Nope. Not until I talk to one. Until then, you're just A Crazy
> > Person.
> >
> > -Robin
> Agreed. The "If so you will conclude" part means precisely "you will
> conclude after you have talked to one in a live demonstration." However,
> this is also one positive vote for the Searle Test as the measuring rod for
> conscious machines, meaning if it passes, I get your vote. And yes, the
> Lucas Droid Trademark and my Droid Patent should work as a team, and he is
> in fact, the first on my list to have talk to my prototype in a private
> demonstration sometime in February 2006.
> Ken Woody Long

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