Re: An evolutionary strategy for AGI

From: micah glasser (
Date: Thu Dec 08 2005 - 13:08:35 MST

Then we must begin to understand biological computation at the
pre-neurological level. If bacteria do indeed use a form of quantum
computation then we need to understand this process. If it
 turns out to be true that quantum computation is going on at the
pre-neurological level then Roger Penrose might be right after all (with the
whole quantum tunneling micotubules thing), and we will have to master this
form of computation before we can functionaly emulate the human brain's
software. I would suggest that we start by completely reverse engineering a
bacterium. This might mean building it one protein at a time. If we can do
this succsesfully then we will be well on our way. On the other hand if the
notion of quantum computation in bacteria is just a load of non-sense (as it
may be) then we could just skip over this rung in the ladder and go straight
to the the most promordial organism that actually has neurons and begin
On 12/8/05, Phillip Huggan <> wrote:
> Right off the bat this would be hard. There are some simple life forms
> that have no nervous systems but act as if they have memories in the paths
> they take as they float in their surrounding fluid environment. The most
> successful theory to date has been that there is a component in them
> utilizing quantum computation. The best explanation for the ability of
> antibiotic-resistant microbe strains to rapidly mutate is that they are
> aided as well by quantum computation "cheats" on their surfaces. The
> evolutionary ladder approach to understanding sentience is interesting, but
> the 1st rung is likely to be very high up.
> *micah glasser <>* wrote:
> I've been struck by the idea that the best model for achieving human level
> AGI (Artificial ! General Intelligence) should be based in biology but not
> necessarily from reverse engineering the human brain. Here's what I have in
> mind.
> Presently there is only one known example of AGI in the universe and that
> is, of course, the mind of man. As it turns out the human brain is also the
> most complex thing known in the universe as well. There are many key
> attributes of human intelligence that we either do not understand at all or
> we understand very dimly, such as consciousness and natural language.
> Supposing that certain types of functions in the human brain that we
> currently do not fully understand are responsible for the ability of natural
> language or consciousness, then how can we hope to build the functional
> equivalents of these neurological structures without the knowledge of how it
> works in human intelligence?
> What I propose is that we build an artificial chain of life. We could pick
> out about twenty different organisms to represent the chain of life from
> bacteria all the way up to man. The advantage of this artificial chain of
> life (ACL) is that in real evolution the neurological substrate of each
> organism is kept and any modifications of higher level organisms are merely
> built on top of the old structures. <SNIP>
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