RE: physics of uploading minds

From: H C (
Date: Thu Oct 27 2005 - 21:27:43 MDT

>From: Phillip Huggan <>
>Subject: physics of uploading minds
>Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:02:04 -0700 (PDT)
>Is there any literature that the process of uploading, formatting one's
>individual mind upon a substrate other than one's brain, will actually
>work? I'm starting to compile a taxonomy of singularity pathways and I
>think uploading should be removed entirely from this list. I don't deny a
>sentient agent can be engineered with uploading technology that is
>behaviourally indistinguishable from an "original". But this is a far cry
>from ensuring one's immortality by saving static copies of one's mind.

Taxonomy of what now? *cough*immortality!=singularity*cough*

> The fundamental flaw appears to be in the belief that uploading (for
>immortality) only requires a copying level of resolution that is the
>smallest physical brain structure necessary to form one's mind. This would
>merely create another individual. The laws of physics that give rise to
>the fields neurons and microtubules operate under, would have to be
>reproduced as well for uploading to copy personal identity. It has been
>mentioned developing uploading is too hard to contemplate pre-singularity.
>I would take this further: uploading is too hard post-singularity;
>achieving it would require enacting new laws of physics. Uploading = being
>god, and discussion of it doesn't belong alongside other mind/intelligence
>singularity hybrids.

Maybe the Uploading you are referring to isn't a valid singularity path, but
surely a mind simulated on some level of resolution would be functionally
intelligent, and could thus be upgraded to more and more powerful computers
(with more and more functional mind "tools" at it's disposal)- thus
Singularity. Just because the upload isn't a continuation of *you* doesn't
mean it can't be an active, functioning intelligent process.



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