Re: Collective Volition, next take

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (
Date: Sat Jul 23 2005 - 15:34:15 MDT

Russell Wallace wrote:
> You would think so from calculating the abstract logic, but look at
> what people empirically vote for even when they themselves are at the
> bottom of the heap.

CEV(1) CEV(2)

I don't think that a republican democracy is a good metaphor, that it even
hints at what a coherent extrapolated volition would look like. There are too
many effects in republican democracy that stem from poorly informed voters,
limited attention of voters, deception of voters, voting for only a predefined
slate of candidates, inability of voters to foresee the actual consequences of
their actions, etc. etc. And even a direct democracy would not be suggestive
of CEV because it would run on majority votes rather than coherence, CEV(1),
and the voters still wouldn't be the people they wished they were, CEV(2).

Eliezer S. Yudkowsky                
Research Fellow, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence

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