From: Mark Waser \(home\) (mwaser@cox.net)
Date: Sat Jun 04 2005 - 10:35:04 MDT
>> The US government *is* democratically elected, and believing otherwise is
>> primarily the domain of people with tinfoil headgear.
The 2004 exit poll statistics from Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida tend to
indicate otherwise with all three being several sigmas out of whack with the
"vote results." Given that other countries find exit polls accurate enough
to call elections, that there is no paper audit trail to validate the "vote
results", and that the leading maker of voting machines (Dieboldt) has said
that he will do anything to get Bush re-elected, it seems a very reasonable
question as to whether the President (you know, the head of the US
government and the person who appoints a large portion of the executive and
judicial branches) was indeed democratically elected.
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Andrew Rogers" <andrew@ceruleansystems.com>
To: <sl4@sl4.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: A disclaimer - I am *not* a Singularitarian
> Tom Buckner wrote:
>> However, if you actually believe what you are
>> saying right now, and are not saying it under
>> duress (are you?) then you are a fool.
>
>
> I have to say that the part about turning AI over to the government -- ANY
> government --
> shows a strange disconnect from reality.
>
>
>> The United
>> States government is no longer democratically
>> elected, and 'working within the system' has in
>> the last generation only worked for those who
>> were subverting it, and they don't care about
>> future generations.
>
>
> The US government *is* democratically elected, and believing otherwise is
> primarily the
> domain of people with tinfoil headgear. Newsflash: this is what democracy
> looks like. Your
> emotional attachment to the word "democracy" do not allow you to redefine
> the word merely
> because you do not like the consequences of having real democracy. You
> also apparently
> forget that the reason the US was originally a Republic was specifically
> to avoid these
> inevitable problems with Democracy, but the country has slowly been
> converted to a
> Democracy over the last two centuries with much vigorous applause from
> ideological nitwits.
>
> You call Marc Geddes a fool, but being right for the wrong reasons is just
> as bad. I would
> not give any government AI, but whether it is democratic or not has no
> meaningful impact on
> the outcome of such a decision.
>
>
> j. andrew rogers
>
>
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