Re: Qualia feel good?

Date: Wed Jul 07 2004 - 10:06:30 MDT

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, justin corwin wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:37:26 +0800, Metaqualia <> wrote:
> > >How do you know animals feel pain? The same pain people do? They don't talk.
> >
> > I need two tools to prove your reasoning isn't sound: a gag and a baseball
> > bat :)
> Can we try to cut down on the smirky one line replies that don't
> really address the previous post? I pick on this one here because it's
> particularly egregious, but it's been rather emblematic of the list of
> late for people to snipe pickily at each other.

Sometimes a simple concept loses its impact if over explained. In this case
a dramatic sentence makes a point which paragraphs of text would not. Its
not about logic its about feeling (qualia), what feeling does that
sentence invoke? What does that feeling tell you about the implication
that lack of speech implies lack of pain?

In general I have to take a middle ground in the whole Qualia discussion.
I don't agree with either extreme. I don't believe qualia exists as
anything outside of ourselves (ourselves refering to beings with nervous
systems), but I also don't believe this can be extended to say that its ok
to disregard qualia.

> Yes, people are animals, very droll. But not exactly contentful. Eugen
> made several other more interesting points in the last email, which
> are dissapointingly ignored.

Yes. Probably because they where good points :)

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