**From:** Simon Gordon (*sim_dizzy@yahoo.com*)

**Date:** Sat Apr 26 2003 - 16:29:15 MDT

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--- Ben Goertzel <ben@goertzel.org> wrote: >

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*> OK, if you are saying these other universes "exist"
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*> as abstractions, that's
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*> fine.
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Not only am i saying that other universes exist as

abstractions; i am also saying that our universe

belongs to this set of abstractions - in terms of

existance our universe is equal in status to the other

universes and that is why you cannot deny the

existance of these other universes. It also happens to

be the reason why our universe necessarily exists

precisely because it is an abstraction and

abstractions have the property of necessary existance.

This is widely accepted among philosophers, at least

for the necessary existance of mathematics and by

corollary the necessary existance also of mathematical

strucures.

"the unreasable effectiveness of mathematics in the

physical universe"? The physical universe *is* a

mathematical structure so there are no problems here.

The best part about accepting my ontology is not its

self-consistency but the fact that you get to see why

our universe exists! You are nolonger haunted by the

possibility of it not existing.

Simon.

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