RE: Collapsarity

From: Lee Corbin (
Date: Tue Mar 25 2003 - 21:12:54 MST

Paul writes

> As intelligence increases tetrationally, it also seems
> hypothetically possible that at some point, perhaps
> only a short while after the singularity, its ability
> to miniaturize and compactify volumetrically could
> accelerate faster than its needs to expand materially
> and volumetrically. So rather than an increasing
> amount of mass succumbing to computronium conversion,
> the opposite occurs - an intelligence 'collapsar' in
> which the mass used decreases as intelligence
> increases, resulting in a singularity (in the original
> use of the word). Further the speed up of this
> intelligence increase could accelerate so fast, that
> an effective infinite amount of computation is done in
> zero time.

Yes. SFAIK John Smart is the great exponent of
this view ( .

My only problem with this is the exclusivity that
you seem to apply. Just because the nanotech or
whatever at coordinates (x, y, z) gets real smart
real fast and collapses in just the way you say,
it can simultaneously spawn off a slightly more
primitive (i.e. smaller) version of itself to
location (x+dx, y, z) which repeats the process.
I don't see any reason why such a process would
*forego* converting adjacent material just because
its primary interest is "downwards not outwards".

> In other words, rather than the universe heading
> towards a single omega-point at the end of time, every
> species that achieves a singularity quickly enters
> their own omega point shortly after they achieve a
> singularity.

Yup. John Smart and many others do embrace this
as an answer to the Fermi Paradox.


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