RE: Zen and the Singularity

From: Ben Goertzel (
Date: Sun Jun 30 2002 - 21:31:04 MDT

But Damien, following the logic of this tradition, what is going to cause
the AGI to pay attention to the Scripture any more than to, say, "Philosophy
in the Bedroom" ? Doesn't the AGI's leap-of-faith to belief in the truth of
the Scripture require it to possess a soul?

ben g

> At 10:41 PM 6/30/02 -0400, Eliezer wrote:
> >The original question I asked was whether a Friendly AI, if a given
> >religion were true, would be able to jump to that despite being
> >programmed by atheists.
> One question raised in the thread, however, was whether a *Catholic* could
> consider it possible for an AI to affirm, via reasoning, the truth of
> Catholicism. I repeat my earlier point about Thomist philosophy, which is
> still the basis of Catholic doctrine. Scholastic theology teaches that God
> *can* be known through natural means, although not perfectly (that, of
> course, requires the divine gift of grace [which will not be withheld,
> however], and the guidance of scripture). Since the AI has both ample
> reason and complete access to scripture, it should be able (according to
> Thomas) to reason its way to Jesus as the Son of God. It might not,
> admittedly, attain salvation through baptism of faith, but arguably that's
> a private matter better left to a machine and its god.
> Damien Broderick

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