Re: Opting out of the Sysop scenario?

From: Gordon Worley (
Date: Mon Aug 06 2001 - 13:04:13 MDT

At 11:17 AM -0700 8/6/01, Durant Schoon wrote:
>Perhaps we can think about it as a legal system. We all agree to obey
>the rules for our own protection, vs. reverting to anarchy.

Just a point of diction: this reads more like you intended to write
that rules are supposed to keep us out of dystopia.

>This is
>a starting point however, because any technologically deficient Legal
>System can't statisfy everyone. The current U.S. system violates the
>volition of, say, murderers and adults who want to have sex with

Nope. I can't remember if I've written this out anywhere, but here
is how the non violation of volition system works:

first, consider the volition of the receiver (of the action, message, whatever)
second, consider the volition of the sender

Just because Alice wants to kill Bob, if Bob doesn't want to be
killed, his volition overrides that of Alice (or, rather, his
volition takes precedent in situations where Bob is going to receive
the action). If nothing else, Alice could trick herself into believe
that she killed Bob. In the end, we can't respect everyone's
volition, be we can not violate it (viz. you can't always do what you
want but you never have to do what you don't want).

>It allows humans to slaughter animals which really annoys
>members of PETA.

Well, until someone proves that cows have volition, pass the steak.

>It allows abortions which really annoys the Christian

Re above. The Christian Right can't always get what they want, but
they can not have abortions themselves.

(Oh, I did this a couple of times, but 'can not' is not 'cannot').

>It prevents you from growing certain natural plants and
>smoking them.

This is a clear violation of volition.

But, after this, you seemed to get the idea, so I'll stop.

Gordon Worley                     `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty            said, `it means just what I choose                it to mean--neither more nor less.'
PGP:  0xBBD3B003                                  --Lewis Carroll

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