Re: Si definition of Friendliess

From: James Higgins (
Date: Sat Apr 07 2001 - 11:46:08 MDT

At 01:14 PM 4/7/2001 -0400, Brian Atkins wrote:
>Samantha Atkins wrote:
> > Brian Atkins wrote:
> > I think that misses the point I was getting at. Either the Sysop ends
> > all misery, which is what I thought I heard, or it does not. If it does
> > not then my objection is less important but I am then not so sure what
> > the Sysop is to accomplish.
>They key word that people seem to be missing is that it will end /involuntary/
>problems like death, low intelligence, pain, etc. If someone wants to go
>around living in a normal human body/brain with no protections at all then
>so be it. The Sysop always respects your volition except in cases where that
>conflicts with other beings' (or potential beings') wishes.

Which brings us right back to my previous point:

At 07:53 AM 4/6/2001 -0700, James Higgins wrote:
>A Dyson Sphere or Ring World would be an excellent use of matter. It is
>very efficient, compared to planets. However, this would effect everyone
>in the system. So let's say out of 5,000,000 people 4,999,000 agree that
>such a construction be created. But to 1,000 people this is
>unfriendly. I assume the Sysop now stops the whole thing because it is
>unfriendly to at least one person.
>The Sysop idea keeps setting off my intuitive design alarms as something
>that just can't work. If it has to consider the friendliness of every
>action you end up with 2 huge problems:
> 1) Considering friendliness for every other individual for every action
> is a huge task. Try to turn a rock into a chair and 2 subjective years
> later the Sysop says OK.
> 2) Most things worth doing will be considered unfriendly by
> someone. Heck, what we are doing now would be shut down by the Sysop as
> unfriendly, because I bet at least a quarter of the world population
> would rather not take this risk. But even smaller matters, such as
> personally exploring the universe, would run afoul of friendliness. Many
> may think it is unfriendly to go star hopping for any number of reasons.

So please explain how the Sysop can enforce friendliness for everyone,
without being highly restrictive or eternally slow.

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