From: Brian Atkins (email@example.com)
Date: Sun Sep 17 2000 - 15:40:52 MDT
Alex you speak of founder advantages- are you talking about starting a
commercial effort in this area, or are you planning an open source approach?
(P.S. aren't you already working on something else? How will you have time
Alex Future Bokov wrote:
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> On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, E. Shaun Russell wrote:
> > I am a bit embarassed to admit that I have not heard any cohesive talk
> > about an Earthweb until now; as such, any questions I now ask will likely
> > seem lightweight and redundant until I actually read some more documentation.
> Don't worry, you're among friends.
> > The whole concept sounds very heady and prestigious, and ultimately very
> > do-able. Obviously, a "collaborative superconsciousness" of sorts should
> > be tops on our ten-year to-do list. So what kind of
> More like two years, tops.
> > software\communications do we currently have to make something like this
> > feasible? I'm not too concerned about the economics of it at this
> Micropayments, pseudonymous identities that each have a reputation
> associated with them, collaborative filtering, improved searching,
> smart contracts, and a really intuitive but powerful interface for
> discussion/collaboration and you pretty much have it.
> Economics is important, because an economy already *is* a transhuman
> decision making system. A group mind. The challenge is just to make it
> smarter, remove more friction, allow it to expand into domains that up
> till now have been reserved to individual intelligences.
> > point...the technical basis is what is most important at such an early
> > stage. Is there any work currently being done on such a project?
> Yes, from several directions.
> > Again, my apologies for sounding a bit awestruck, but this concept (on a
> > feasible scale) has received little discussion in any circles I am familiar
> > with.
> I'm not sure that everybody who's working on the effort is fully aware
> of its implications. Foresight Institute, for example, calls it 'social
> software'. The trade press calls it 'online communities'. It definitely
> needs more discussion, and that's why I want to round up all the
> Transhumanist web developers et. al. and start a new forum on how to
> design-ahead for this. That, by the way, is why I see the
> weblog-on-every-desktop scenario as a desirable one, Eliezer-- it's an
> intermediate step to EarthWeb (cf. our eGroups debate in front of Nick
> Bostrom). Of course, competitive pressures will eventually force some
> company someplace to develop the software, and then all web developers
> everywhere to adopt it. However, I want Transhumanist-run companies
> and Transhumanist web developers to have the founder advantage.
> So, why should a Singularitarian care about EarthWeb?
> 1. Any new technology may face unforseen obstacles. That's why they're
> called unforseen. Two semi-redundant technologies aiming for the same
> goal are a safer bet.
> 2. EarthWeb will drive economic, engineering, and intellectual
> developments that may make the job of SingInst easier. Correct me
> if I'm wrong, but the optimistic time scale for >AI is 10-15 years.
> The very pessimistic timescale for EarthWeb is 5 years. The large
> scale behavior of EarthWeb itself may also inspire shortcuts and
> warn of potential pitfalls that await Transhuman intelligences as
> a class, whether individual or collective.
> 3. One way to think of EarthWeb is as an upload of human society...
> laws, markets, reputations, relationships, institutions, factual
> knowledge, creative works... pretty much everything except the actual
> humans. Having such an infrastructure in place is a necessary
> prerequisite to the uploading of humans... when uploading comes there
> will be too many other things to worry about to be writing the rules of
> human interaction from scratch at the same time.
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-- Brian Atkins Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence http://www.intelligence.org/
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